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posted: RE: THE QU'RAN ; NO CONTRADICTION?i don't think it's necessary to debating about quran's contradiction or Bible's condtradiction, it only makes dissension. every religion and Holy Scripture have their own goodness. |
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posted: RE: RE: THE QU'RAN ; NO CONTRADICTION?FeMi wrote: i don't think it's necessary to debating about quran's contradiction or Bible's condtradiction, it only makes dissension. every religion and Holy Scripture have their own goodness. Good point Femi. |
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posted: RE: THE QU'RAN ; NO CONTRADICTION?Muslims claim that the Bible was corrupted and that the quran stand alone as the words of all knowing and all powerful,and compassionate allah,in contrast the Bible verses are full of "alleged contradictions" and founded on hearsay.
Hence,placing the quran in an acid test [constructive discussions] to verify it’s credibility as coming from all knowing and all powerful,and compassionate allah,is no other way but the right approach.
Moreover,if the quran honestly reveals that the Bible is “indeed” corrupted,and the quran proves that it is the only book coming from GOD,then we Christians as a believer of GOD must renounce our faith and be muslims. |
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posted: RE: RE: THE QU'RAN ; NO CONTRADICTION?saayadena wrote: 1.. It is Allah Who sustains the heavens and the earth, lest they cease (to function): and if they should fail, there is none - not one - can sustain them thereafter: Verily He is Most Forbearing, Oft-Forgiving. (35:41)
2. Sura 35,…Initiator (Faater)---[35:41] ALLAH is the One who holds the heavens and the earth,lest they vanish.If anyone else is to hold them,they will most certainly vanish.He is Clement, Forgiving.
3.Verily!Allâh grasps the heavens and the earth lest they move away from their places,and if they were to move away from their places,there is not one that could grasp them after Him.Truly,He is Ever Most Forbearing,Oft¬Forgiving.[Q 35:41]
The above verses shows allah as a nervous,no confidence,poor creator,and he is not the absolute authority,therefore he is not the one as all knowing and all powerful. Moreover the quran upon subjected to deep scrutiny and analysis revealed lots of contradictions,coupled with credibility problem.
*The universe, as we know it, shows not only evidence of initial designs, but also the working of an intelligent Providence, which constantly sustains it. That is Allah. If you could imagine that removed, what is there to keep it going? There would only be chaos. *Allah’s world goes on according to the laws and decrees established by Him. There are occasional lapses and deviations on part of His creatures. But He does not punish every petty fault. One of His merciful qualities is that of repeated forbearance and forgiveness. |
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posted: RE: RE: RE: THE QU'RAN ; NO CONTRADICTION?JeM TaT wrote: The intelligent Providence here is GOD who established laws an order in heaven,not allah who holds earth and heaven accordingly because he is afraid it will moved away,it is clear on his verses.
saayadena wrote: 1.. It is Allah Who sustains the heavens and the earth, lest they cease (to function): and if they should fail, there is none - not one - can sustain them thereafter: Verily He is Most Forbearing, Oft-Forgiving. (35:41)
2. Sura 35,…Initiator (Faater)---[35:41] ALLAH is the One who holds the heavens and the earth,lest they vanish.If anyone else is to hold them,they will most certainly vanish.He is Clement, Forgiving.
3.Verily!Allâh grasps the heavens and the earth lest they move away from their places,and if they were to move away from their places,there is not one that could grasp them after Him.Truly,He is Ever Most Forbearing,Oft¬Forgiving.[Q 35:41] The above verses shows allah as a nervous,no confidence,poor creator,and he is not the absolute authority,therefore he is not the one as all knowing and all powerful. Moreover the quran upon subjected to deep scrutiny and analysis revealed lots of contradictions,coupled with credibility problem.
*The universe, as we know it, shows not only evidence of initial designs, but also the working of an intelligent Providence, which constantly sustains it. That is Allah. If you could imagine that removed, what is there to keep it going? There would only be chaos. *Allah’s world goes on according to the laws and decrees established by Him. There are occasional lapses and deviations on part of His creatures. But He does not punish every petty fault. One of His merciful qualities is that of repeated forbearance and forgiveness. |
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posted: RE: RE: THE QU'RAN ; NO CONTRADICTION?anwar wrote: im sorry i cant speak english , but a little.. maybe i will take with indonesian language.. kenapa harus kontradiktion mungkin ini jalan pintasnya biar cepat dapat jawaban dari pertanyaan... karena masalah agama sama seperti my country ideologi "bhinneka tunggal ika" dengan asas PANCASILA dari rakyat untuk rakyat oleh rakyat... seperti itulah yang saya pikirkan. karena lebih cepat lebih baik karena misi saya adalah perdamaian dunia untuk menyelamatkan dunia ini juga.... kalau cuman perang yang dipikirkan mana mungkin tercipta perdamaian..... mungkin kesalahan saya mengirim no rekening hingga di sebut swime flu tapi yang saya lakukan adalah daripada beramal ke belum jelas orangnya lebih baik saya kirimkan no rekening langsung orang yang pantas mendapatkannya yaitu anak yatim dan janda kalau untuk saya uang sangat mudah untuk di cari asal ada kemauan dan berkerja pasti dapat. kalau tidak saya akan ralat tentang rekening ini. maaf ya brother end sister...... terus kenapa saya pikirkan tentang domino bukannya untuk berjudi tapi artiannya saja yang mana mengerti dan memahami 99 nama baik allah akan menang dan surga balasannya dan yang mengerti dan memahami 6666 ayat al_qur'an akan menang dan surga balasannya itupun janji allah bukan saya yang hanya manusia biasa yang ga ada daya dan upaya untuk menguasai dunia ... ha ha ha..... saya serius tapi santai jadi ga kebawa-bawa hawa nafsu he he he yang bisa saya lakukan hanya menahannya saja untuk hawa nafsu manusia... sangat simple kan untuk mengenal dan mengartikan kehidupan nyata ini....... dan tentang dajjal yang ada di hadist yang mana dajjal itu bukan berada di barat tapi di timur saya dapat pengertian begini ketika saya akan shalat shubuh saya berada ditengah antara orang yang sedang adzan dengan orang yang sedang ngobrol di dalam masjid sama dengan umat christian yang sedang berdo'a dengan bernyanyi sedangkan jika ingin dapat rahmat dan berkah dari allah harus menyepi seperti umat budha dan harus di baptis dahulu sebelumnya dengan melihat sejarah zaman dahulu untuk masa depan sama seperti umat hindu seperti reinkarnasi jiwa menurut saya..... tapi umat islam melakukan semua itu dalam 1 hari sebanyak 5 waktu... hingga fitrah jiwa raganya untuk bertemu kembali dengan allah nantinya setelah saya meninggal dan ketika ditanya oleh malaikat dalam kuburpun bukan tangan,kaki atau segala yang ada di tubuh ini yang berbicara tapi mulut ini yang akan berteriak takbir terus menerus seperti dalam video alam kubur yang saya dengarkan itulah suara nabi muhammad saw dan para shahabatnya...... nah sekarang ada friendster and facebook saya artikan seperti ini untuk menjalin tali persaudaraan/pertemanan adalah dengan langkah membuka buku suci kembali yang telah allah berikan kepada para nabi yang dia utus untuk memegang penuh kesetiaan atas nama allah...... begitulah pengertian yang saya dapat dari semua kehidupan yang saya lihat dan saya artikan....... bukan berarti saya ini sok tahu tapi hanya ingin menyampaikan bahwa zaman udah mutakhir akan ada akhir zaman yaitu hari kiamat tapi entah kapan sayapun tak tahu tidak seperti paranormal yang tahu akan hari esok itulah sifatnya berlebih-lebihan...... sebelum dan sesudahnya saya mohon maaf karena ini hanya buat diri saya pribadi bukan untuk siapa2 jika ada yang baiknya ambil aja yang baiknya yang jeleknya mah buang aja bukan berarti mencuri-curi..... tapi bukan untuk menjual tanah bangsa indonesia ini yang sangat saya cintai akan harta kekayaan alam yang berlimpah ini tapi sebuah kreasi yang bisa di jual dengan hak cipta yang katanya sich ada royaltynya ... he he he .... amin ya robbal alamin semoga allah selalu melindungi semua umat manusia dari godaan setan yang terkutuk amin ya robbal alamin... Translation: im sorry i cant speak english , but a little.. Why must kontradiktion possibly this his bypass although fast could the answer from the question... Because of the problem of the same religion like my country the "single diversity" ideology of "one" with the Kepancasilaan principle from the people for the people by the people... Like that that was thought about by me. Because faster better because my mission was world peace to rescue this world also.... If cuman the war that was thought about how could it be that was created peace..... Possibly my mistake sent no the account through to in mentioned swime flu but that was carried out by me was than charitable to not yet clear his person was better was sent by me no the direct account of the person who deserved to get him that is the child yatim and the widow if for me money really was easy to in looked for the origin had the will and berkerja definitely could. If not I would the error about this account. Sorry brother end sister...... Continued why was thought about by me about the domino not to gamble but his meaning whichever understood and understood Allah's 99 good reputationsWill win and his reply heaven and that understood and understood 6666 articles al qur'an will win and his reply heaven that too Allah's promise not I that only human that ga had the power and efforts to control the world... Ha ha ha..... I was serious but relaxed so ga kebawa-brought the lust he he he that could be carried out by me only kept him for the human lust... Really simple will know and interpret this real life....... And about dajjal available in hadist whichever dajjal that not was in the west but in east I could the understanding like this when I will pray shubuh I was in the middle between the person that was adzan and the person who was chatting in the mosque was the same as Christian's group that was berdo'a in a singing manner whereas if want to be able to the blessing and the blessing must from Allah grow still like Buddhist group and must in baptised beforehand beforehand by seeing the ancient history toNah now was friendster and facebook was interpreted by me like this to establish the friendship rope/pertemanan was with the step to open the holy book again that has Allah gave to the prophets that he delegated to hold was full of loyalty on behalf of Allah...... Such was the understanding that I could from all the lives that were seen by me and were interpreted by me....... Not meant me this the know-it-all but only want to delivered that the time has latest will be final the time that is the doomsday day but whether when I also did not know unlike paranormal that knew would tomorrow so his characteristics were excessive...... Before and afterwards I apologised because this only for myself was personal not for anyone if there is one that is good him took then that was good him that was ugly him Ma discarded then not significant stole-surreptitious..... But not to sell this Indonesian nation land that really was loved by me would this abundant wealth of the nature wealth but a creation that could in sold with copyright that he said sich was royalty him... he he he.... amen yes robbal alamin may Allah always protect all humankind from the devil's temptation that was condemned amen yes robbal alamin... |
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posted: RE: RE: RE: RE: THE QU'RAN ; NO CONTRADICTION?JeM TaT wrote:
“The Qur’an, which is originally in Arabic, is revealed by Allah Almighty. Arabic is the mother tongue of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him). The Arabic language of the Qur’an has a unique rhetorical style that is the perfection of rhetoric and eloquence. Speaking of this, Allah Almighty says, “In plain Arabic speech.” (Ash-Shu`ara’: 195) One huge contradiction in the Quran that actually is embarrassing to the Muslims. In his book,The Foreign Vocabulary of the Quran,Authur Jeffery documents the fact that the Quran contains over 100 foreign (non-Arabic) words.There are Egyptian Hebrew,Greek, Syriac,Akkadian,Ethiopian and Persian words and phrases in the Quran.
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posted: RE: RE: RE: THE QU'RAN ; NO CONTRADICTION?JeM TaT Menulis: saayadena wrote: 1.. It is Allah Who sustains the heavens and the earth, lest they cease (to function): and if they should fail, there is none - not one - can sustain them thereafter: Verily He is Most Forbearing, Oft-Forgiving. (35:41)
2. Sura 35,…Initiator (Faater)---[35:41] ALLAH is the One who holds the heavens and the earth,lest they vanish.If anyone else is to hold them,they will most certainly vanish.He is Clement, Forgiving.
3.Verily!Allâh grasps the heavens and the earth lest they move away from their places,and if they were to move away from their places,there is not one that could grasp them after Him.Truly,He is Ever Most Forbearing,Oft¬Forgiving.[Q 35:41]
The above verses shows allah as a nervous,no confidence,poor creator,and he is not the absolute authority,therefore he is not the one as all knowing and all powerful. Moreover the quran upon subjected to deep scrutiny and analysis revealed lots of contradictions,coupled with credibility problem.
*The universe, as we know it, shows not only evidence of initial designs, but also the working of an intelligent Providence, which constantly sustains it. That is Allah. If you could imagine that removed, what is there to keep it going? There would only be chaos. *Allah’s world goes on according to the laws and decrees established by Him. There are occasional lapses and deviations on part of His creatures. But He does not punish every petty fault. One of His merciful qualities is that of repeated forbearance and forgiveness. you're wasting your time Jemtat there's two golden rules in this forum rule number 1. Saayadena is always right rule number 2. if Saayadena ever made a mistake, please read rule number 1 Summun bukmun 'umyun fahum laayarji'uun |
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posted: RE: THE QU'RAN ; NO CONTRADICTION?Hmmm, interesting topic... :) |
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posted: RE: RE: RE: RE: THE QU'RAN ; NO CONTRADICTION?Erie wrote: JeM TaT Menulis: saayadena wrote: 1.. It is Allah Who sustains the heavens and the earth, lest they cease (to function): and if they should fail, there is none - not one - can sustain them thereafter: Verily He is Most Forbearing, Oft-Forgiving. (35:41)
2. Sura 35,…Initiator (Faater)---[35:41] ALLAH is the One who holds the heavens and the earth,lest they vanish.If anyone else is to hold them,they will most certainly vanish.He is Clement, Forgiving.
3.Verily!Allâh grasps the heavens and the earth lest they move away from their places,and if they were to move away from their places,there is not one that could grasp them after Him.Truly,He is Ever Most Forbearing,Oft¬Forgiving.[Q 35:41] The above verses shows allah as a nervous,no confidence,poor creator,and he is not the absolute authority,therefore he is not the one as all knowing and all powerful. Moreover the quran upon subjected to deep scrutiny and analysis revealed lots of contradictions,coupled with credibility problem.
*The universe, as we know it, shows not only evidence of initial designs, but also the working of an intelligent Providence, which constantly sustains it. That is Allah. If you could imagine that removed, what is there to keep it going? There would only be chaos. *Allah’s world goes on according to the laws and decrees established by Him. There are occasional lapses and deviations on part of His creatures. But He does not punish every petty fault. One of His merciful qualities is that of repeated forbearance and forgiveness. you're wasting your time Jemtat there's two golden rules in this forum rule number 1. Saayadena is always right rule number 2. if Saayadena ever made a mistake, please read rule number 1 Summun bukmun 'umyun fahum laayarji'uun it's not the rule on this forum...you made that rule,your own way to avoid fleshing the issue. |
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posted: RE: RE: THE QU'RAN ; NO CONTRADICTION?JeM TaT wrote:
Saayadena: because you guys are told to believe what you have been told to believed without questioning...Blind Faith. Jemtat: It is Muslim or Christians who have Blind Faith? We should not accept blind faith. If something is the truth, why would it require blind faith? Why should a doctrine be unclear, contradictory, or confusing? These are attributes of doctrines created by men, not of those pure beliefs that God has instilled in our hearts naturally, and those He wishes us to develop. Saayadena:Blind faith is in the court of Islamic adherents it is encouraged by your very own prophet,delving deep to Islamic faith were muffled outright,because the answers within is dangerous,pernicious to the faith/Koran-lest it reveals GOD’s none words,wherein then people will eventually lost their faith…for example;
Muhammad commanded them to do[no questions ask],and that is to:"O ye who Believe ASK NOT QUESTIONS about things which if made plain to you,MAY CAUSE YOU TROUBLE...Some people before you did ask questions,and on that account LOST THEIR FAITH"(Sura 5:101-102). Why not?Why not ask questions about the faith and quran?....why not put it to the test?..is allah afraid?
Maududi in his commentary warns Muslims not to probe deeply into Islam:"The Holy prophet himself FORBADE PEOPLE to ask questions...so do not try to probe into such things"(The Meaning of the Koran,vol.3,pp.76-77).
Bukhari's Hadith tells us how Muhammad responded to those who asked questions:"The prophet was asked about things which he did not like,and when the questioner insisted,the prophet shows displeasure and got angry"(The Meaning of the Koran vol.1, no.92). |
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posted: RE: THE QU'RAN ; NO CONTRADICTION?*The crescent moon symbol of Islam is a remnant of ancient pagan moon worship. *the Ka’aba was dedicated to al-Ilah,the High God of the pagan Arabs despite the presiding effigy of Hubal.By the beginning of the seventh century,al-Ilah[later on Allah] had become more important than before in the religious life many of the Arabs.Many primitive religions develop a belief in a High God,who is sometimes called the Sky God...But they also carried on worshipping the other gods, who remained deeply important to them."(Karen Armstrong, Muhammad,(New York:San Francisco,p. 69.) *Muhammad grew up worshipping many pagan gods in the Kabah including the moon, either called Hubal and Allah.After his conversion to monotheism,through the influence of the Jews& Christians in ancient arabia,Muhammad stopped worshiping the moon.. However,the crescent moon is the universal symbol of Islam,the moon worship was more prevalent in Arabia than any other part of the world and that the symbol of the crescent moon has been used by the Arab religions as far back as ancient times. It is a falsification of history to think there is no connection with the history of the crescent moon symbol of pagan moon god worship and Islam.The fact remains that most Arab/Muslim countries today still use the crescent moon symbol on their flags and atop of their mosques.The connection is so powerful that only the blind would reject any connection. *Was the Kaaba Originally a Hindu Temple? As the pilgrim proceeds towards Mecca he is asked to shave his head and beard and to don special sacred attire that consists of two seamless sheets of white cloth.One is to be worn round the waist and the other over the shoulders.Both these rites are remnants of the old Vedic practice of entering Hindu temples clean- and with holy seamless white sheets. (…) According to the Encyclopaedia Britannica,the Kaaba had 360 images.Traditional accounts mention that one of the deities among the 360 destroyed when the place was stormed,was that of Saturn;another was of the Moon and yet another was one called Allah.That shows that in the Kaaba the Arabs worshipped the nine planets in pre-Islamic days.In India the practice of ‘Navagraha’ puja,that is worship of the nine planets,is still in vogue.Two of these nine are Saturn and Moon. In India the crescent moon is always painted across the forehead of the Siva symbol. Since that symbol was associated with the Siva emblem in Kaaba it came to be grafted on the flag of Islam. (…) Another Hindu tradition associated with the Kaaba is that of the sacred stream Ganga (sacred waters of the Ganges river).According to the Hindu tradition Ganga is also inseparable from the Shiva emblem as the crescent moon.Wherever there is a Siva emblem,Ganga must co-exist.True to that association a sacred fount exists near the Kaaba.Its water is held sacred because it has been traditionally regarded as Ganga since pre-Islamic times (Zam-Zam water). (…) Muslim pilgrims visiting the Kaaba temple go around it seven times.In no other mosque does the circumambulation prevail.Hindus invariably circumambulate around their deities.This is yet another proof that the Kaaba shrine is a pre-Islamic Indian Shiva temple where the Hindu practice of circumambulation is still meticulously observed. (…) Recital of the Namaz five times a day owes its origin to the Vedic injunction of Panchmahayagna (five daily worship- Panch-Maha-Yagna)which is part of the daily Vedic ritual prescribed for all individuals. Muslims are enjoined cleanliness of five parts of the body before commencing prayers.This derives from the Vedic injuction‘Shareer Shydhyartham Panchanga Nyasah’. (…) The Islamic term‘Eed-ul-Fitr’derives from the‘Eed of Piters’that is worship of forefathers in Sanskrit tradition.In India,Hindus commemorate their ancestors during the Pitr-Paksha that is the fortnight reserved for their remembrance.The very same is the significance of ‘Eed-ul-Fitr’(worship of forefathers). (…) The Islamic practice of observing the moon rise before deciding on celebrating the occasion derives from the Hindu custom of breaking fast on Sankranti and Vinayaki Chaturthi only after sighting the moon. |
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posted: RE: RE: RE: THE QU'RAN ; NO CONTRADICTION?saayadena wrote: anwar wrote: im sorry i cant speak english , but a little.. maybe i will take with indonesian language.. kenapa harus kontradiktion mungkin ini jalan pintasnya biar cepat dapat jawaban dari pertanyaan... karena masalah agama sama seperti my country ideologi "bhinneka tunggal ika" dengan asas PANCASILA dari rakyat untuk rakyat oleh rakyat... seperti itulah yang saya pikirkan. karena lebih cepat lebih baik karena misi saya adalah perdamaian dunia untuk menyelamatkan dunia ini juga.... kalau cuman perang yang dipikirkan mana mungkin tercipta perdamaian..... mungkin kesalahan saya mengirim no rekening hingga di sebut swime flu tapi yang saya lakukan adalah daripada beramal ke belum jelas orangnya lebih baik saya kirimkan no rekening langsung orang yang pantas mendapatkannya yaitu anak yatim dan janda kalau untuk saya uang sangat mudah untuk di cari asal ada kemauan dan berkerja pasti dapat. kalau tidak saya akan ralat tentang rekening ini. maaf ya brother end sister...... terus kenapa saya pikirkan tentang domino bukannya untuk berjudi tapi artiannya saja yang mana mengerti dan memahami 99 nama baik allah akan menang dan surga balasannya dan yang mengerti dan memahami 6666 ayat al_qur'an akan menang dan surga balasannya itupun janji allah bukan saya yang hanya manusia biasa yang ga ada daya dan upaya untuk menguasai dunia ... ha ha ha..... saya serius tapi santai jadi ga kebawa-bawa hawa nafsu he he he yang bisa saya lakukan hanya menahannya saja untuk hawa nafsu manusia... sangat simple kan untuk mengenal dan mengartikan kehidupan nyata ini....... dan tentang dajjal yang ada di hadist yang mana dajjal itu bukan berada di barat tapi di timur saya dapat pengertian begini ketika saya akan shalat shubuh saya berada ditengah antara orang yang sedang adzan dengan orang yang sedang ngobrol di dalam masjid sama dengan umat christian yang sedang berdo'a dengan bernyanyi sedangkan jika ingin dapat rahmat dan berkah dari allah harus menyepi seperti umat budha dan harus di baptis dahulu sebelumnya dengan melihat sejarah zaman dahulu untuk masa depan sama seperti umat hindu seperti reinkarnasi jiwa menurut saya..... tapi umat islam melakukan semua itu dalam 1 hari sebanyak 5 waktu... hingga fitrah jiwa raganya untuk bertemu kembali dengan allah nantinya setelah saya meninggal dan ketika ditanya oleh malaikat dalam kuburpun bukan tangan,kaki atau segala yang ada di tubuh ini yang berbicara tapi mulut ini yang akan berteriak takbir terus menerus seperti dalam video alam kubur yang saya dengarkan itulah suara nabi muhammad saw dan para shahabatnya...... nah sekarang ada friendster and facebook saya artikan seperti ini untuk menjalin tali persaudaraan/pertemanan adalah dengan langkah membuka buku suci kembali yang telah allah berikan kepada para nabi yang dia utus untuk memegang penuh kesetiaan atas nama allah...... begitulah pengertian yang saya dapat dari semua kehidupan yang saya lihat dan saya artikan....... bukan berarti saya ini sok tahu tapi hanya ingin menyampaikan bahwa zaman udah mutakhir akan ada akhir zaman yaitu hari kiamat tapi entah kapan sayapun tak tahu tidak seperti paranormal yang tahu akan hari esok itulah sifatnya berlebih-lebihan...... sebelum dan sesudahnya saya mohon maaf karena ini hanya buat diri saya pribadi bukan untuk siapa2 jika ada yang baiknya ambil aja yang baiknya yang jeleknya mah buang aja bukan berarti mencuri-curi..... tapi bukan untuk menjual tanah bangsa indonesia ini yang sangat saya cintai akan harta kekayaan alam yang berlimpah ini tapi sebuah kreasi yang bisa di jual dengan hak cipta yang katanya sich ada royaltynya ... he he he .... amin ya robbal alamin semoga allah selalu melindungi semua umat manusia dari godaan setan yang terkutuk amin ya robbal alamin... Translation: im sorry i cant speak english , but a little.. Why must kontradiktion possibly this his bypass although fast could the answer from the question... Because of the problem of the same religion like my country the "single diversity" ideology of "one" with the Kepancasilaan principle from the people for the people by the people... Like that that was thought about by me. Because faster better because my mission was world peace to rescue this world also.... If cuman the war that was thought about how could it be that was created peace..... Possibly my mistake sent no the account through to in mentioned swime flu but that was carried out by me was than charitable to not yet clear his person was better was sent by me no the direct account of the person who deserved to get him that is the child yatim and the widow if for me money really was easy to in looked for the origin had the will and berkerja definitely could. If not I would the error about this account. Sorry brother end sister...... Continued why was thought about by me about the domino not to gamble but his meaning whichever understood and understood Allah's 99 good reputationsWill win and his reply heaven and that understood and understood 6666 articles al qur'an will win and his reply heaven that too Allah's promise not I that only human that ga had the power and efforts to control the world... Ha ha ha..... I was serious but relaxed so ga kebawa-brought the lust he he he that could be carried out by me only kept him for the human lust... Really simple will know and interpret this real life....... And about dajjal available in hadist whichever dajjal that not was in the west but in east I could the understanding like this when I will pray shubuh I was in the middle between the person that was adzan and the person who was chatting in the mosque was the same as Christian's group that was berdo'a in a singing manner whereas if want to be able to the blessing and the blessing must from Allah grow still like Buddhist group and must in baptised beforehand beforehand by seeing the ancient history toNah now was friendster and facebook was interpreted by me like this to establish the friendship rope/pertemanan was with the step to open the holy book again that has Allah gave to the prophets that he delegated to hold was full of loyalty on behalf of Allah...... Such was the understanding that I could from all the lives that were seen by me and were interpreted by me....... Not meant me this the know-it-all but only want to delivered that the time has latest will be final the time that is the doomsday day but whether when I also did not know unlike paranormal that knew would tomorrow so his characteristics were excessive...... Before and afterwards I apologised because this only for myself was personal not for anyone if there is one that is good him took then that was good him that was ugly him Ma discarded then not significant stole-surreptitious..... But not to sell this Indonesian nation land that really was loved by me would this abundant wealth of the nature wealth but a creation that could in sold with copyright that he said sich was royalty him... he he he.... amen yes robbal alamin may Allah always protect all humankind from the devil's temptation that was condemned amen yes robbal alamin... Thanks for the translation, Saayadena. I'm really very interested in knowing what Anwar thinks. |
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posted: RE: RE: RE: RE: THE QU'RAN ; NO CONTRADICTION?LecherousButete wrote: saayadena wrote: anwar wrote: im sorry i cant speak english , but a little.. maybe i will take with indonesian language.. kenapa harus kontradiktion mungkin ini jalan pintasnya biar cepat dapat jawaban dari pertanyaan... karena masalah agama sama seperti my country ideologi "bhinneka tunggal ika" dengan asas PANCASILA dari rakyat untuk rakyat oleh rakyat... seperti itulah yang saya pikirkan. karena lebih cepat lebih baik karena misi saya adalah perdamaian dunia untuk menyelamatkan dunia ini juga.... kalau cuman perang yang dipikirkan mana mungkin tercipta perdamaian..... mungkin kesalahan saya mengirim no rekening hingga di sebut swime flu tapi yang saya lakukan adalah daripada beramal ke belum jelas orangnya lebih baik saya kirimkan no rekening langsung orang yang pantas mendapatkannya yaitu anak yatim dan janda kalau untuk saya uang sangat mudah untuk di cari asal ada kemauan dan berkerja pasti dapat. kalau tidak saya akan ralat tentang rekening ini. maaf ya brother end sister...... terus kenapa saya pikirkan tentang domino bukannya untuk berjudi tapi artiannya saja yang mana mengerti dan memahami 99 nama baik allah akan menang dan surga balasannya dan yang mengerti dan memahami 6666 ayat al_qur'an akan menang dan surga balasannya itupun janji allah bukan saya yang hanya manusia biasa yang ga ada daya dan upaya untuk menguasai dunia ... ha ha ha..... saya serius tapi santai jadi ga kebawa-bawa hawa nafsu he he he yang bisa saya lakukan hanya menahannya saja untuk hawa nafsu manusia... sangat simple kan untuk mengenal dan mengartikan kehidupan nyata ini....... dan tentang dajjal yang ada di hadist yang mana dajjal itu bukan berada di barat tapi di timur saya dapat pengertian begini ketika saya akan shalat shubuh saya berada ditengah antara orang yang sedang adzan dengan orang yang sedang ngobrol di dalam masjid sama dengan umat christian yang sedang berdo'a dengan bernyanyi sedangkan jika ingin dapat rahmat dan berkah dari allah harus menyepi seperti umat budha dan harus di baptis dahulu sebelumnya dengan melihat sejarah zaman dahulu untuk masa depan sama seperti umat hindu seperti reinkarnasi jiwa menurut saya..... tapi umat islam melakukan semua itu dalam 1 hari sebanyak 5 waktu... hingga fitrah jiwa raganya untuk bertemu kembali dengan allah nantinya setelah saya meninggal dan ketika ditanya oleh malaikat dalam kuburpun bukan tangan,kaki atau segala yang ada di tubuh ini yang berbicara tapi mulut ini yang akan berteriak takbir terus menerus seperti dalam video alam kubur yang saya dengarkan itulah suara nabi muhammad saw dan para shahabatnya...... nah sekarang ada friendster and facebook saya artikan seperti ini untuk menjalin tali persaudaraan/pertemanan adalah dengan langkah membuka buku suci kembali yang telah allah berikan kepada para nabi yang dia utus untuk memegang penuh kesetiaan atas nama allah...... begitulah pengertian yang saya dapat dari semua kehidupan yang saya lihat dan saya artikan....... bukan berarti saya ini sok tahu tapi hanya ingin menyampaikan bahwa zaman udah mutakhir akan ada akhir zaman yaitu hari kiamat tapi entah kapan sayapun tak tahu tidak seperti paranormal yang tahu akan hari esok itulah sifatnya berlebih-lebihan...... sebelum dan sesudahnya saya mohon maaf karena ini hanya buat diri saya pribadi bukan untuk siapa2 jika ada yang baiknya ambil aja yang baiknya yang jeleknya mah buang aja bukan berarti mencuri-curi..... tapi bukan untuk menjual tanah bangsa indonesia ini yang sangat saya cintai akan harta kekayaan alam yang berlimpah ini tapi sebuah kreasi yang bisa di jual dengan hak cipta yang katanya sich ada royaltynya ... he he he .... amin ya robbal alamin semoga allah selalu melindungi semua umat manusia dari godaan setan yang terkutuk amin ya robbal alamin... Translation: im sorry i cant speak english , but a little.. Why must kontradiktion possibly this his bypass although fast could the answer from the question... Because of the problem of the same religion like my country the "single diversity" ideology of "one" with the Kepancasilaan principle from the people for the people by the people... Like that that was thought about by me. Because faster better because my mission was world peace to rescue this world also.... If cuman the war that was thought about how could it be that was created peace..... Possibly my mistake sent no the account through to in mentioned swime flu but that was carried out by me was than charitable to not yet clear his person was better was sent by me no the direct account of the person who deserved to get him that is the child yatim and the widow if for me money really was easy to in looked for the origin had the will and berkerja definitely could. If not I would the error about this account. Sorry brother end sister...... Continued why was thought about by me about the domino not to gamble but his meaning whichever understood and understood Allah's 99 good reputationsWill win and his reply heaven and that understood and understood 6666 articles al qur'an will win and his reply heaven that too Allah's promise not I that only human that ga had the power and efforts to control the world... Ha ha ha..... I was serious but relaxed so ga kebawa-brought the lust he he he that could be carried out by me only kept him for the human lust... Really simple will know and interpret this real life....... And about dajjal available in hadist whichever dajjal that not was in the west but in east I could the understanding like this when I will pray shubuh I was in the middle between the person that was adzan and the person who was chatting in the mosque was the same as Christian's group that was berdo'a in a singing manner whereas if want to be able to the blessing and the blessing must from Allah grow still like Buddhist group and must in baptised beforehand beforehand by seeing the ancient history toNah now was friendster and facebook was interpreted by me like this to establish the friendship rope/pertemanan was with the step to open the holy book again that has Allah gave to the prophets that he delegated to hold was full of loyalty on behalf of Allah...... Such was the understanding that I could from all the lives that were seen by me and were interpreted by me....... Not meant me this the know-it-all but only want to delivered that the time has latest will be final the time that is the doomsday day but whether when I also did not know unlike paranormal that knew would tomorrow so his characteristics were excessive...... Before and afterwards I apologised because this only for myself was personal not for anyone if there is one that is good him took then that was good him that was ugly him Ma discarded then not significant stole-surreptitious..... But not to sell this Indonesian nation land that really was loved by me would this abundant wealth of the nature wealth but a creation that could in sold with copyright that he said sich was royalty him... he he he.... amen yes robbal alamin may Allah always protect all humankind from the devil's temptation that was condemned amen yes robbal alamin... Thanks for the translation, Saayadena. I'm really very interested in knowing what Anwar thinks. ur,welcome.i'm curious too what anwar says-so i fed it to the translator. |
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posted: RE: THE QU'RAN ; NO CONTRADICTION?Cool discussions ;) |
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posted: RE: RE: THE QU'RAN ; NO CONTRADICTION?cool indeed. wait 'til somebody will start with the medical contradictions. it's really funny where the sperms came from according to the quran. Timothy wrote: Cool discussions ;) |
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posted: RE: RE: RE: THE QU'RAN ; NO CONTRADICTION?Sam wrote: cool indeed. wait 'til somebody will start with the medical contradictions. it's really funny where the sperms came from according to the quran. Timothy wrote: Cool discussions ;) Really? We will see... :) Oh, have you heard about Hugh Ross? (I'm pretty out of topic) |
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posted: RE: RE: RE: RE: THE QU'RAN ; NO CONTRADICTION?Timothy wrote: Sam wrote: cool indeed. wait 'til somebody will start with the medical contradictions. it's really funny where the sperms came from according to the quran. Timothy wrote: Cool discussions ;) Really? We will see... :) Oh, have you heard about Hugh Ross? (I'm pretty out of topic) the theistic evolutionist? |
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posted: RE: THE QU'RAN ; NO CONTRADICTION?I suppose my biggest issue as a Christian is the Jesus Christ issue and how the bible and other sources show what really happend as opposed to the Qur'an which says 600yrs later what Allah supposedly said that contradicts all genuine evidences historians recognise. Contradictions that u see cannot be fully understood by anyone but Muslims i believe, just as Muslims cannot understand the bible like Christians because we come from different context so think they see contradictions that are not there. |
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posted: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: THE QU'RAN ; NO CONTRADICTION?jan rey wrote: Timothy wrote: Sam wrote: cool indeed. wait 'til somebody will start with the medical contradictions. it's really funny where the sperms came from according to the quran. Timothy wrote: Cool discussions ;) Really? We will see... :) Oh, have you heard about Hugh Ross? (I'm pretty out of topic) the theistic evolutionist? I dunno, he became a christian after reading the bible. The Bible really tells and confirms the science. We really can't use science to contradict God and the Bible. It's pretty cool. You should listen to his explanations before we judge him. Most of the atheists, theists and scientists finally believed God really exists after debates and discussions. :) |








